Same Sex Relationships In Gaming

Same Sex Relationships In Gaming


There has been a bit of a new craze going around lately which is putting same sex relationships (for a minority group) in games, which effects the larger dominate group in mainly a negative way. The usual follow up comments when someone disagrees with this new way is usually greeted by “your homophobic” or “your stupid” but is this really the case?

Have you ever felt passionately about a character to a point you feel you know almost every single thing about him or her? Spent countless hours learning everything there is to know and diving into the lore of game? If you have done this and a new sequel in a game series promises to completely change the characters you love and already know don’t u have a right to be a little pissed off? Does this make someone “stupid” or “homophobic” just because they don’t want there favourite characters randomly forced to change at the end of a trilogy (ME3).

It would be like watching a John Wayne movie where he is a heterosexual cowboy roaming the lands killing American Indians and saving poor little women from the dangers of the West than after 2 movies the 3rd changes him into a purple alien who only likes other aliens. Destroying your love for the character and ruining the experience you once loved with a passion making you equally as pissed off cause of this random change at the end of a trilogy.

So my question is why is it okay to call these people stupid and homophobic just because there characters are forced changed at the end? When throughout there entire experience they have known and grown to love these already existent characters. They say “Oh but the game reacts to your play style then opens up the gay romance option”  but how tha fuck do you play a game gay? And what about all those people who loved the Mass Effect franchise so much they completed all the options on each characters and loved completing every aspect off it? Now they cant do this because of the forced ME3 same sex content, which has the potential to ruin the characters they already know and love.

I personally couldn’t give a fuck if a whole bunch of “new” characters came in being gay or if they had a option in character creation that enabled or disabled same sex in the game. But this isn’t the case cause apparently your just an idiot or a homophobe if you don’t enjoy characters randomly turning gay.

Whats your thoughts on this entire matter ?


horizon011
horizon011
Hardcore gamer with a huge interest for underground rap or any other talent.
39 comments
satch
satch

what? how are you forced and in what games are you forced? I see Mass Effect game pics here, and it is fully your choice how the character develops. I've played the Mass Effect trilogy enough times and I made it a point to explore as much dialogue as possible with other characters. You speak as if the sexuality different than yours is forcing you to choose it, but I have yet to see this in Mass Effect, or something like Dragon Age Origins either. I picked Tali and felt the growing bonds between her and Shepard because I CHOSE that path. site specific examples of this nebulous problem people apparently are having, but will not consider 'homophobic' as a reason, or kindly QQ moar to your friends and leave everyone else alone

Sin
Sin

I think there need to be some boundaries between the different levels of 'homophobia' here, and some checks on the self-righteousness. Homophobia can mean a lot of different things, from someone who has an out and out, baseless, ignorant hatred of homosexual people because their twisted thinking leads them to believe that there is actually some logical or factual or spiritual basis to the idea that being gay is 'bad' and 'wrong', and behaves in a hostile, threatening, taunting, bullying, demeaning or violent manner toward them, all the way through to someone who might be incredibly happy if two of their friends of the same sex started a fulfilling relationship together but still a little uncomfortable about it. People who feel uncomfortable about and/or around homosexuality have just as much right to their feelings of discomfort as those who are not uncomfortable with it have to their feelings of acceptance. Furthermore, they have ~just as much right~ to state aloud 'this is something that I am not comfortable with' as others have to say 'this doesn't bother me at all'.

 

It is not hypocritical or bigoted to have an emotion; they are something that we experience spontaneously and while we may be able to control how we outwardly behave or speak in reaction to them, we cannot stop them from forming in the first place and are not wrong to have them. If you are uncomfortable around gay people, it is your problem not the gay person's problem, but you still have the right to be ~openly~ honest about the fact that you find it disquieting. Your feelings are no less your fault than their feelings of same sex attraction are theirs, because neither ~are~ faults. To say that someone should not have these feelings, is the same argument that has been used ~against~ gay people for decades; 'you're unnatural', 'can't you turn straight', 'can't you make yourself not gay?', and many, many more. Aren't those questions wrong?! Isn't it unfair to not only expect someone to be able to stop feeling the way they feel, whether it's attraction or repulsion, but to ask it of them? It's when you try to make them feel bad or ashamed or abnormal because you are not enjoying the way you are feeling that you place yourself in the wrong.

 

I don't think the author should feel obliged to stay quiet about something he doesn't like just because it's not the popular opinion. It makes no difference how accurate his finer details are about specific games, there is an aspect in a previously enjoyed form of entertainment that he doesn't like and he's chosen to write about it, just like someone who does like the inclusion might want to write about how much they do like it. I don't think the images that were coupled with the article ~in any way~ helped his argument as one of his initial points was that a person with objections is automatically subjected to taunts of "homophobe!" - which you all have, predictably, done. The choice of pictures made it difficult to lend weight to his argument because they undermined his credibility with childish stereotypes. But he has the right to say that he does not like this. Reactions like the ones I've just read in almost every single comment only serve to illustrate that homophobes could equally be classed as an oppressed minority, forced by popular opinion, and highly vocal bullying, to keep their preferences a dark, guilty secret. What a shame that you can be supportive of one set of emotions that people can't help having, but you can't use your logic to give support to the other, less popularised, set of emotions that people can't help having. Those actions are the hypocritical ones, when sheer logic dictates that both must be treated the same, yet one is celebrated and the other is vilified. All these hateful comments you've made are no different than the hateful ones spewed at homosexuals.

xtiaan
xtiaan

games are meant to be inclusive, gay people exist, deal with it. You dont hear gay gamers complaining about having to deal with hetero bullshit. You are a total fucking homophobe by the way, its obvious from you choice of illustrations as to what you think constitutes "a gay", 95 % of gay guys just look like regular dudes.

masseffectfan
masseffectfan

I really don't understand what your saying about mass effect because I have played through all three multiple times and I understand that yeah no matter what your shuttle pilot is gay but that in no way makes it so you have to be gay hell you can just ignore him and not speak to him outside of the in mission stuff

Elizabeth
Elizabeth

Good God, please use correct grammar and spelling if YOU'RE attempting to sound intelligent and make a point. The amount of times you used YOUR instead of YOU'RE (like you should have been doing) is incredibly painful. 

 

Also, ME3 is a poor choice as it had same-sex relationships in ME2 (albiet only lesbian based same-sex relationships) and for the fact that Shepard doesn't have a specific lover that you HAVE to choose. 

bob
bob

Oh god... What is wrong with you? You may choose yourself if you want your character to be straight or gay or whatever. Nothing ever forces you into pursuing a gay relationship in ME3. And have you forgotten about the fact that there has been a lesbian alternative for fem-shep from the beginning? The only thing that changed really in the third installment is that also male Shepard could have the option of being gay. If this is what bothers you, please get over yourself. If you don't want your character to be gay, then don't make it gay. Easy as that. It should even be simple enough for your closeminded, prepubescent little mind to comprehend.

Cvrc11
Cvrc11

Honestly, I played through ME3 as a male Shepard and didn't even notice that Kaidan was a romance option until I saw it online! I really think that if you don't activelly seek out a gay relationship, the characters effectivelly "stay straight", so this is just a rediculous argument...

Tiarnan Gardiner
Tiarnan Gardiner

As well as horrible spelling and grammer- I actually saw the author use 'u' instead of 'you', making it seem like the article was written by a 12 year old- this article ignores the fact that the character only turns gay if you want them to. If you so please, there's not a gay scene in the entire game, so no characters are "being ruined". No one suffers. This is the first time I've visited this site and unless it turns out the article was a parody, the last.

Holly Graber
Holly Graber

It's like that in dragons dogma as well. It totally pissed me off and I had to start over twice because my woman turned out to be lesbian. And I didn't do anything to make her that way. The creators of the games need to tone down the same sex marriages a bit...

Steve
Steve

Objecting to a character turning out to be gay in the third installment (which is a poor example since you are free to continue playing as a hetero in ME3 if that is how you played ME1 & 2) does not automatically make one a bigot. However, when you include outrageous examples (John Wayne in a pink boa) or a photo of the most extreme "character" you could find from a Gay Pride event, it does point to someone with an agenda. You apparently have some issues with your own sexuality or you wouldn't be threatened and feel the need to marginalize (the "minority" and "dominant" group comment at the start of the article) a trend that you feel is an affront to your gamer sensibilities. Try leaving your computer screen or couch once and a while and get out and meet new people and experience life's diversity and you might just find that you are a much happier gamer when you return to gaming.

2Tired
2Tired

Really... I have to agree that some of the views are very generalized and (I'm sorry to say) homophobic. That said... In some (probably irrational) ways, including homosexual content in games feels invasive to many if not most heterosexual gamers. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings here or cast a negative light on homosexuality, but the reality is that many people are just not comfortable with it. Personally, I just don't want to know about it. I don't want to have to worry that I might be sending 'the wrong signals'. Perhaps if there was an option where I could set my sexual preference early on and not have to worry about poor dialogue options it wouldn't be as much of a problem. Even so, there's just something about knowing there's homosexual content on my PC that bothers me. Even if I know I'll never go through that dialogue, it bothers me to know it's there. It's sort of like living in an apartment complex and having a homosexual neighbor. He can be a great guy, but it's just really uncomfortable to know that certain things happen on the other side of your wall. It's all a struggle for tolerance in one way or another, but what it boils down to is this: while I have nothing against homosexuals, I don't want homosexuality or [real world] religion (whether forced or not) in my games. I'm perfectly fine with it being offered as DLC (which is much easier to do than you might think), but I suspect the vast majority is just not comfortable with it as a prepackaged deal and forcing it on the community as a whole only serves to irritate an otherwise volatile issue. This is an issue that is neither limited to homosexuality or games. This message is for any of you that face any kind of prejudice: "Stop talking about it." -Morgan Freeman, when asked how to stop racism

Daniel
Daniel

I'm sorry, and it's not the most constructive criticism I've ever made, but you're an enormous idiot and a homophobe. I read your rather poorly-written article and I really don't see the point you were trying to make, as you did not provide any sort of information or anything resembling an ounce of logic to back up your misinformed argument. Airbornegamer, you should reconsider the criteria for who gets to write articles on the site or content will continue to severely suffer in quality. Rule of thumb: good editorial writers tend to know the difference between "their," "there," and "they're."

Mr. T
Mr. T

I absolutely agree. This is like allowing the option to become drug-addled or a satan worshipper. Perfectly practical things to do, but then you have the problem of endorsement. Including these things is a form of endorsement.

Jeff Dranetz
Jeff Dranetz

I don't mind same sex relationships in games. However, my experience in Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2 is that it is somehow easier to come by that opposite sex relationships. While just trying to be friendly, I seem to send the wrong signals to Anders in DA:2 and Cortez in ME:3. While to get an opposite sex romance, you have to jump through a lot of hoops. In ME:1, you have to put up with Ashley Williams 's poetry ad nauseam. In ME:3. I thought I made all the right moves to get Allers, only to be rejected. Just because I showed sympathy to Cortez over the death of his spouse, doesn't mean I want to end up in bed with him. Once one Earth, Cortez and Shepard have this lover's exchange over the radio as Cortez's shuttle gets shot down. Game designers have to make the accessibility the same for either type. Not skew it toward one or the other.

Esosq
Esosq

I find myself with some spare time, so let me go through this properly. First of all, no one is "forcing" the characters to do or be anything. The same-sex options are, indeed, optional, and the points of decision concerning these are blatantly obvious, just so no one has to go through homoerotic content with their beloved characters. However, this is not the only point. Even if the characters were homosexual regardless of player-made decisions, who's to say that's changing them one bit? Maybe they were homosexual or bisexual all along, and you just didn't get to know that side of the character before. Furthermore, the gamer is not the one making the decision on what personality traits are canon, the developers are - and this holds true universally. You see, during the development and progression of any story, new personality traits constantly emerge. Characters do things you might not have thought they might do. But normally that's considered a part of the medium - a natural and very welcome part, we love surprising twists. What makes this twist any different? You don't like it. You don't like the idea of homosexuality. It's understandable, but makes your argument just a pile of unfortunate whines. This dislike towards homosexuality is further made obvious by the fact that you say people can't play through all the content in the game because that would include homoerotic content. Now why would that be so? What reason would there be for someone who really, really wants to see everything the game has to offer to not do so because of homoeroticism? The fact that you seem to find it unlikely that some people might actually be heterosexual but still absolutely cool with homoeroticism reveals that something is somewhat amiss. Furthermore, you give an absolutely ridiculous example of John Wayne turning from a heterosexual cowboy to a - for lack of a better, more alienesque word - homosexual alien. Homosexual options in Mass Effect and a hero from a western movie turning into an alien are not even remotely comparable when it comes to incoherence in a storyline. I'm not sure how this turd managed to pass even your own filters of rational thought. To reiterate: Characters are not randomly turning gay. They might've been gay all along, they might've been bisexual, they might neither - that depends on the player. But they are not randomly turning gay, there's no loss of coherence, no contradiction. The only reason that the mere option of homosexual content would ruin a character for someone is if that someone takes it to be an unbearably dislikeable attribute - and in that case, this someone should learn how to grow up and accept the world as it is.

Mark
Mark

I dont really care what two consenting digital adults do in their own spare time

StevenandJohnna Belchamber
StevenandJohnna Belchamber

I think it is part of the media complex forcing tolerance down our collective throats. The problem with adding homosexual or even race-based content to a game is that it often is included via broadly-drawn characters (or caricatures) of the particular groups. Why must characters in media announce something that should remain a private aspect for a person, like their personal sexual preference? And if you tolerate sexual preference being relevant to a game, would you protect a game for promoting a particular religion? Where is the morality in a secular culture? There is no morality. It is comply or die; assimilate or be destroyed. Also, why are people focused on being tolerated instead of being accepted? And all the phony tolerant people who are offended without giving a real reaction based outside of emotional conjecture are just childish. If it isn't important enough to think while you type, or to write more than one phrase, you probably should just stay silent.

Dante Frutchey
Dante Frutchey

Dude, not a single game so far has any character "turn gay" they are adding the option to have you personally make it progress in that way. And, no offense, but, yeah, you do sound homophobic. Gays have been around for thousands of years buddy. We want our fair share in games too. (And, the 'stereotype gay guy' you have there, way to be an offensive dick.)

Kaiser
Kaiser

Also, uncut dialogues from Mass Effect suggest that Kaidan is a romantic option for male Shepherd, so your argument about characters being magically turned gay is moot. :\

Kaiser
Kaiser

Role-playing game is all about making choices. The character is supposed to be your avatar. If you want your character to be straight then be straight. There is no need to take away that choice from other people. Shepherd character is not defined. He doesn't have a personality. You are the one who give personality to him. That's it. If you imagine him to be straight, then he's straight. I wouldn't say you're homophobic but prejudice is more like it.

Dan Paquette
Dan Paquette

Tough shit, that's the way the story tellers wanted to go with the narrative. Video games aren't always "choose your own adventure," and saying, "oh no, I didn't want that character to be gay because that changes everything that I've thought about him," means you're homophobic. That's like playing a game blind-folded, and toward the end you take it off and you find out a particular character is black. Well ain't that a bitch huh? You thought he was blonde-haired, blue-eyed, vanilla-skinned from Westchester didn't you? Well tough fucking shit. Grow up.

Jake T Patton
Jake T Patton

I totally agree blown way out of proportion!

Michael Rios
Michael Rios

wow...just wow. Is it really that big of a deal that a game character turns out to be gay? I mean, if a friend of yours that you've "known and grown to love" for years turned out to be gay, are you going to have the same attitude which you reflect in this article? Just chill out and enjoy the game :)

Jonathon Strain
Jonathon Strain

They don't force it at all, you can either pursue that romance path or skip it. No one forced Tali's relationship down your throat or Miranda's, it was just an option. I agree with Justyn, blown way out of proportion.

Cherri Dawson
Cherri Dawson

The old age dilemma, who makes the first move, the guy or the gal - in initiating contact or even feelings will be a debate that will more then likely go on for all times.  Society plays a huge role in what is deemed fit when it comes to relationship etiquette.  As society evolves, so does relationship etiquette.  Thankfully, the standards remain the same such as cheating, lying, and abuse are wrong.  However, the fine-lined ones are the ones that can become shaky such as who should make the first move.  What may be okay to do this year can change by the next.  Who would have thought that there would come a day that some people would think friends with benefits was an acceptable alternative to a traditional relationship; however, amongst the younger crowd this is becoming increasingly more common.  Of course, we have added the additional dynamic of same-sex relationships. I digress, that is another whole article in itself. 

ali
ali

I don't care as long as I am not forced to play that story route. I ignore relationships in stories, unless they give you status boost. then it depends on the boost and how much work it is. If someone get's their jollies doing a relationship in a game, who am i to stop them. I never got married or had anything to do with any relationship in fable 1 or 2.

horizon011
horizon011

^ it was more directed at the other established characters magically changing gay.. but thanks for your oppinion :)

Weefz
Weefz

I don't get it. He doesn't BECOME gay. You just get the dialogue option to make him gay if you want to, in the same way that you have the option to make him paragon or renegade. Seeing a renegade dialogue option during a Paragon play-through doesn't make him omgRENEGADEWTFBBQ!!1. It's just a choice. Don't choose it if you don't want to.

AdacatWong
AdacatWong

Do not compare how someone feels to what someone is. Feelings about things can be changed. If you feel uncomfortable about people being together for a different race or sexuality, that's an opinion you keep it to yourself. There's a time to share an opinion and a time you don't. If you don't think people killing others is a good idea of course you say something. That's because it's causing someone harm. I don't go outside and when I see a straight couple kissing tell them to keep it behind doors because that's where it belong's. I don't tell bible thumpers where to go or how to get there. I don't tell my religious friends that I think believing a fairy tail is wrong. Why because it's not hurting me. There's nothing wrong with someone choosing to have a gay storyline in games with imaginary characters. If someone has a problem with two men or woman being together that's that person's problem. When you post an article like this it shows no matter how little that it is all right to think that gay people are miles different from straight people just because of their body parts, which human body parts aren't what make one female or male . How dare a game try to include a supposed minority in a role playing game. The author doesn't share any other games where it's forced in your face, mass effect unless you go down that road you don't have to be gay same with dragon age. Other than fable I can't really think of a game franchise were there's that option. Plus there's no gay game characters that come to the top of my head that aren't a villain, or show to be stereotypically over the top flamboyant, or simply not human. As I've stated above the author chose to voice his/her opinion that he/her should have kept to himself/herself. If s/he feels that a character in a game which isn't real and unless you make your character make that character gay that only happens in 2 games, is a problem. Did the author go down the gay relationship route and now is worried about his/her sexuality? Because he's/she's worrying that someone like me chose to go the gay character route? Which unless he/she went that way in those 2 games, how were they gay in his story. Again I apologize that gay people have been around as long as straight people. To answer the author's question yes if your annoid that a character in someone else's story went the gay route which in your story if you didn't go that way in your play through they were straight. Plus the author only stated they had a problem with characters going gay that weren't previously gay which only happened in mass effect 3, and only if you chose that path. In dragon age 1 zeveran always a bisexual, lilianna always a bisexual, dragon age 2 anders if you pay attention to the story circle mages Aren't allowed to have relationships that could bear a child so it makes sense that anders could be bisexual, fenris bisexual. As the author said he had no problems with new introduced characters. So in all games that I can think of and that's alot. This article applies only to aiden, ashley I think ( never went the lesbian route with her) and possibly anders but if like the author say that they know the characters so well should know anders is bisexual. So possibly 3 character's have been forced to be gay if you chose that route otherwise there just straight(except anders). You have to mod so you can have a gay relationship with garrus that's not part of the game. So really no characters were forced to turn gay unless you chose it in one game. If you want aiden or ashley to be straight since these are the only 2 characters in all of Gaming that were "forced" to be gay. Which again only if you choose it. So in fact the answer to this article is yes your a homophobe, stupid well you chose to make it like there's a problem in gaming were fictitious characters that have no will of their own therefore can't be forced and unless choose that path for them you are stupid. The small fraction and I mean small fraction of gay guy characters that Aren't evil or flamboyant when coming from a the east anything that shows their openly gay males is taken out of their dialog so it's left ambiguous so they can assumed to be straight. But the very minute lesbian characters it's okay for them to stay gay. So the obvious problem that the author has is that more gay options are put into games for people like me. The author Doesn't have to play gay if they don't want to. You Obviously coming to their defence don't understand that the problem there saying is out in games in fact isn't even there. Do your homework before you come to an argument.

Airborne Gamer
Airborne Gamer moderator

Yeah Hoizion you SOB, : ) Correct your shiz!

lil brenda
lil brenda

inserting a gay character or two doesnt mean game developers have a secret agenda. i haven't played ME3, but as other have said this mechanic of the game is an option. playing a game is an option, as is turning it off if you have a problem with it. personally, i would commend the developers of this game for being a little progressive. as a gay gamer, i don't find anything unsettling about the thought of heterosexual romance or sex in my games. i dont lie awake at night and ponder what the husband and wife next door are doing in their bed. homosexuality doesnt mean promiscuity, drugs, unprotected sex, AIDS, pedophilia, bestiality, whatever. how can the thought of two men kissing be nauseating compared to the gore and violence rampant in mainstream entertainment? also, "This is like allowing the option to become drug-addled or a satan worshipper." no. no its not.

Miss Dee
Miss Dee

All the main team characters are either straight or bisexual, there are only two gay characters, steve and traynor and you can ignore them if you want to. I think this article is really about the author being upset that awesome Garrus might potentially hook up with a guy. Boo hoo. Somehow that makes him less awesome and only worthy of being a labelled 'gay' (clearly not true because he can hook up with Tali if they both live and are single, Garrus is an equal opportunities lover) character and hated for betraying the bromance the author was having with him. If it really bothers him so much play as a femshep then there's no way Garrus will be gay even if he sleeps with Shepard. Problem solved. The reason some characters seem easier as the gay option isn't a gay agenda, it's because they're just needy characters and you're playing the same gender as them, Anders is always throwing himself at my female Hawke too, it's not just the guys he goes after. And Merrill was in hero worship inspired crush mode a lot of the time too, Hawke is just too damn awesome for their own good. Or maybe it's just Varric telling it that way, maybe he's the one with the real crush, that would explain why everyone wanted a piece of the hero. I have the same thing with Liara in Mass Effect, she adores Shepard and I felt terrible when I turned her down in favour of Garrus but I was never offended, it's just part of who Liara is.

Dante
Dante

Kudos on that completely logical reply.