Why the PC is not better than the Console

Why the PC is not better than the Console


For all the PC only gamers out there I have news for you, the PC is not better than the Console.  Now before you scream for my head and call me a blasphemous gamer hear me out.  I truly believe that neither platform is better or worse than the other and this never more evident to me than with this year’s E3.

PCs Rule The biggest argument for why the PC is better is that it can play any game without having to purchase the new machine when it comes out, like you do for a console.  However, that is actually false.  If you think about technology for PC games moves on just like it does for console gaming, sometimes at a faster rate.  If you purchase a pre-assembled PC from your local store, within 6-12 months something is outdated; whether that is the sound card, graphics card, whatever.  As the newer PC games come out your old hardware won’t work with the new game and you have to upgrade at the very least that particular component to play the game.  Depending on what you choose, this could cost a lot of money.

Xbox OneConsoles aren’t much different but it takes longer for the upgrade to come out, especially with the last round of consoles.  It’s been ten years since the Xbox 360 hit shelves and that’s a really long time by console standards.  In the instance of the console, you have to upgrade the entire machine at once to play the new games, and sometimes you lose the ability to play the old games.  Initially, purchasing the newest console might seem to cost more but in the long run, it isn’t.

Despite these facts, both mediums are still purchased and played upon.  Neither of these systems has an advantage over the other because of this; and don’t say that you can play any game on a PC but need a certain console for some games because there are a few which are console specific.  Now the one argument that PC gamers can win, is that the graphics tend to be better on a PC but again if your graphics card is old, that may not be the case anymore.


Diane
Diane
I have been a gamer for over 20 years and a writer for longer than that. I was a gamer before it was "ok" for girls to play games. My preference is RPG's over everything else but I also like fighting games, action, adventure, sims, platform, puzzle, and casual games.
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PCMasterRace
PCMasterRace

"I truly believe that neither platform is better or worse than the other and this never more evident to me than with this year’s E3"

You wan to talk about E3? How about the fact that microsoft heavily relied on high-end spec PCs because of the under-performing hardware the xbox had? 
" If you purchase a pre-assembled PC from your local store, within 6-12 months something is outdated" 
At this point no-one should keep reading. Nothing is outdated within 6-12 months but your consoles, infact they were outdated the moment they were released.
"
whether that is the sound card, graphics card, whatever"

Ok, now you're seriously pulling shit out of your ass.
This article is nothing but a pile of words put together by an ignorant person. There is nothing more wrong, stupid or biased than this, and it is for that reason that I won't even continue to waste my time. That goes for everyone else.

ampish
ampish

Yea, this is the stupidest thing I have ever read. It could not be more wrong on every level. It makes no fucking sense. Like the ps4 and xbone hardware doesn't magically get better over it's life. If my pc has better specs now it always will and at the same resolution and graphical settings it will always outperform the console. This is the part anyone who says console gaming is better doesn't understand. Just look at titanfall. For $500 I can play it at 792p at a measly 45fps, where as for $500 I could get well in the 75+ fps range at 792p. Even at 900p you would see an improvement. It isn't until 1080p that the framerate at this pricepoint would match. Only here's the thing, at 1080p it's rendering almost DOUBLE the number of pixels every second. Do some research please.

Jose
Jose

Soundcard? Really?


This post is the most ridiculous thing I've seen so far.

Betterthanyou
Betterthanyou

Gamer for over 20 years?  You couldn't get any more full of shit if you tried.  You should quit writing as soon as possible before you make yourself look even fucking dumber.   Considering my rig runs games better than next-gen consoles with a 7 year-old cpu just proves you are a fucking moron who has no idea what she's talking about.  Get back in the kitchen, ya fat ugly cunt.

PubstarHero
PubstarHero

Ha. Ha. Ha.  " within 6-12 months something is outdated; whether that is the sound card,"  Stopped reading right there.  You obviously know nothing about hardware, so stop speaking on the matter.

The Sandman
The Sandman

ha ha ha ha ha ha ho ho ho ho, man you are really tripping, please tell me where you get that stuff because i really would like some.......


mushroom guy.

rsc
rsc

this guy is a idiot first off your only changing hardware every year if you want to play AAA games a complete maxed out graphics or triple screens, 3d ect. and most of the time if you got a top tear card you can max out most games for a couple of years. Second most games can still be played on 8-10 year old hardware, granted at lower settings but still. Third games always look better (except for a few older crappy ports) on pc and a few are jaw droopingly better on pc if you have the hardware like the witcher 2 skyrim batman arkham city-orgins ect. Fourth AAA games on console are almost always $60 even a few years old, were on PC as long as your patient you get the same game almost always for less. For example steam is always having sales midweek every holiday and there for new AAA games. I have never paid 60 for a pc game, skyrim $20, bioshock 1 and 2 $20, bioshock infinite  $15.99, sleeping dogs $40, battelfied 3 $10, battlefield 4 $29.99 the list goes on and on my collection is up to 80. I have a very expensive PC $1,800  sounds ridiculous right? raaaaw raaaw raaaw see pc's are crazy expensive see no one can afford them you have to spend so much money bla bla bla. WRONG!!!!!!!!! You don't have to you can build a good one for gaming that's a little better performance then consoles and upgradable for $600-750 even a ok one for 500. People really get into it and that's why they end up spending the kin of money that I did and most of that cost isn't in the gaming hardware. Also he mentioned buying a prebuilt above, well most pre build's are rip offs and most people that are into pc gaming are into hardware too. Ok so the 80 games I mentioned above. If I were to buy a PS4 and 80 games that would ring in at 5,200. The same exact games on pc plus the hardware 4,200 so yea I just deflated your cost analysis of pc gaming. Now there's nothing wrong with consoles if you like specific first party games or not that tech savvy ( even though pc's and pc gaming has come leaps and bounds in recent years with making it easier and less trouble frree with clients like steam and orgin that download and install everything for you including direct x and open GL except for you gpu drivers) there are still glitch's form time to time  but guess what there are just as many on console, but you can find a work around on pc most of the time were as console your out of luck till they patch it. I know it sounds like im bashing consoles but that's not my intention. I'm just saying the reasons above that he gave are crap and he obviously doesn't have a gaming pc or he does and is just starting trouble on purpose. I could go on and on and on about pc but the fact is everyone's needs are different and consoles definitely have there perks too, just don't give garbage reasons.

5760x1080
5760x1080

Surround sound gaming offers a much more visceral experience, no console offers this... Yes its quite a bit more expensive, but if you want the best experience well sucks to be poor.  

jakebertz
jakebertz

You don't really "need" to upgrade a computer more often than a console. You could realistically play any xbox 360 port on a PC with specs equivalent to that of a PC that came out when the xbox 360 was released. You just wouldn't be able to do it at the blistering framerates and glutenous graphics that most PC gamers tend to run at.

JonLachonis
JonLachonis

I'm sitting in front of a liquid cooled 4+ghz processor, sli powered, SSD fed, 32GB of ram, Double PLS Monitored BEAST that would drink your console's milkshake.  And my PC isn't really that bad ass... play Ghosts at 2560x1440 with everything jacked up and your console will look like a digital watch from 1978. Full disclosure:  I love consoles too, there is a convenience factor and reliability factor that can't be ignored.  For those willing to invest the cash, the PC offers the best graphics and game play mechanics.  To disagree is to call the sun the moon.

Mooncalfian
Mooncalfian

Backwards compatibility and emulation to infinity VS companies who try to re-sell you the same game over and over again. End of argument.

Jack Burton
Jack Burton

It's hard to explain to someone what they are missing in a Filet Mignon when they've eaten cheeseburgers their whole lives.


The PC is better simply because of the level of choice in all aspects:


01. The level of configurability

02. MODS

03. The level of personal customization... and personal preference.

04. Multiplayer games = Dedicated servers

05. Dedicated server configurability to customize the player's experience.

06. More titles

07. Choose your own VoIP solution... complete with customization options

08. Keyboard and Mouse

09. No Auto-Aim

10. Less Teenagers


There is more... 


If you PREFER the console... then more power to you... but if you played PC games instead of console... you'd actually have more power.

Tony613
Tony613

This article compares consoles to pc's like comparing a Volkswagen Beetle to a Ferrari Enzo or Bugati Varon.

Then saying the Volkswagen is "better" because you really like the back seats or the rear passenger doors. 


Happy 2014!


Inviktus
Inviktus

I've never encountered a game that wouldn't run because of my soundcard. (who uses soundcards anyway?)

This article is just plain wrong. At the very worst, out dated hardware will make the game run slow, which as others have pointed out, can be worked around by adjusting the settings.


The scenario the author uses here where you can't run a game until you upgrade a certain piece of hardware is just absurd.

Sugalean
Sugalean

A lot of strat games are not made for consoles. So the PC is the way for those gamers. To me that is the biggest difference.

DonFerrari
DonFerrari

The comments on this page have gotten out of hand. This is exactly the reason why this type of article should be avoided completely.


This is supposed to be a hobby, not a lifestyle. The comments here are getting vile and it's absurd.


I'm done. Nothing I've said since I found this article is making any difference. But these comments make me happy that I'm retired from all of this nonsense.

betterdevil
betterdevil

It's kind of ridiculous that Diane thinks new games won't scale down for an older graphics card. Sure, you might not get the advanced particle physics, complex shaders, 12X anisotropic filtering or whatever they come up with next, but you can still play the games. And if you've bought a gaming rig within the last five years you can pretty much guarantee that it will look better than the PS3 or 360. Also, Steam Sales. My God the glorious Steam Sales.

Metamo
Metamo

PC has no JRPGs and therefore sucks.

LouisChapman
LouisChapman

Consoles hold gaming technology back.  While PC technology moves forward at a given rate, consoles stair-step their way forward in generations.


What this means is that, towards the end of a console's life cycle, 6 to 10 years after the initial release, any new games that come out will be designed within the specs of that console's outdated hardware.  Inevitably, PC gamers have to put up with sub-par quality in their games, because developers want to cash-in on the console market.

PCMasterRace
PCMasterRace

@Betterthanyou  Probably a console gamer...

ur mem
ur mem

@Betterthanyou She has no idea what she's talking about but you don't have to be a dick about it

Continous
Continous

Well they are outdated. But not even an eighth as bad as the sorry consoles that get new iterations only after 2+ years

Continous
Continous

In all fairness those digital watches were quite snazzy.

Mooncalfian
Mooncalfian

@Jack Burton A lot of those things are just preferences. Keyboard an mouse is only better for about half of all game genres, and auto aim is only bad if you don't like it.

Continous
Continous

@Inviktus  I prefer having a soundcard with any stereo setup that has more than 2 channels because of the surround emulation and DSP that can be done.

Zoop
Zoop

@betterdevil Erased comments don't work on this site. I get it in my email anyways.


So let's address what you said, since you know you fucked up the moment you wrote it:


"Betterdevil said: Activision? Might want to use a different company there bud, these are the same people that put the Guitar Hero franchise in the ground and are doing the exact same thing to COD. Failure to innovate leads to stagnant, repetitive schlock."


Ah, I love when gamers from the 90's sound off on shit they know nothing about.


Activision started because of disgruntled employees from Atari wanting to have credit for the games they designed. They went on to release some of the best games the 2600 every saw. Atari tried to sue Activision. Atari lost.


Activision eventually moved to the PC, releasing some of the best games PC released. Did you know Activision did fantastic point-and-click RPG's? Well, you do now.


They are now one of the largest third party publisher in the world and one of the strongest developers.


A few mistakes in the 34 years they have been in the industry is more than expected. Educate yourself.

Averre
Averre

@betterdevil

I have no idea why I am getting response from this site to my email account. I am not Diane nor have I posted on this website before today.

If somebody is using my email address... I would like to know who they are.



pakleglia
pakleglia

@MetamoWHo the hell likes JRPGs anyway?

Zoop
Zoop

@LouisChapman Translation:


I'm a PC elitist and cannot adapt. I cannot recognize that consoles had just as much impact on gaming as the PC and, if it wasn't for the sales of consoles like the 2600, companies like Activision may not even exist.


I refuse to accept that companies that were once PC exclusive are now becoming multiplatform because the sales of their games on consoles are outperforming PC sales.


I cannot accept that I'm stuck in the 1990's when the PC was still king of the hill.


Instead, i'll post pics of myself shooting guns for lack of a functioning penis and spend the rest of my miserable free time ignoring the blatantly obvious because I'm mired in being a elitist douchebag instead of accepting that times have changed.

willfenton1981
willfenton1981

@LouisChapmanThat starts happening after about 3 years. The thing that people don't consider is it isn't just the graphics that end up becoming stagnant (Unreal 3 engine for how long?) but the limited tech of the hardware means features and depth have to be scaled back. 

As an example - imagine how much more in-depth and immersive Skyrim would have been if it didn't have to be releases - and prioritised - on consoles. Just look at what modders have done to it to push it to something resembling a true modern PC game.


Yea... I can already hear cries of "PC elitist".. but you know. facts are facts and I challenge anyone dispute them not being so. Consoles ARE built on fixed tech for a TEN year lifespan. Anyone in the know appreciates that ten years is an eternity in gaming terms.

jakebertz
jakebertz

@JonLachonis @jakebertz That is exactly what I mean. The hardware specs of the xbox 360 aren't all that impressive. 3.2ghz tricore processor, 512mb ram. Try running something like Skyrim on that, on ultra, you'd probably melt the thing going more than a couple FPS. But you throttle back the graphics, optimize the port for that specific hardware, and BOOM, you got a working game.

Jack Burton
Jack Burton

@Mooncalfian @Jack Burton  You misunderstand. A PC is the ultimate "choice" platform and supports all preferences. A PC allows you to choose between a gamepad, a joystick, a mouse/keyboard, or even the oculus rift... http://www.oculusvr.com/ . Or all of them at once. 


It's endless with a PC. A Console confines you to whatever it supports, which usually costs 3x the price, and then tries to tell you it's the greatest platform ever.


It's a cheeseburger, Moon. It's not a steak.


This is all marketing. A console IS a PC. It's just not upgradeable, overclockable, and doesn't support the sheer number of games that a PC does.


I know it's confusing... but you have to wrap your mind around what a console actually is and what they say it is.


They are selling you a PC with hardware nobody would buy in a computer store... and the reason you buy it is because it says "Xbox" or "Playstation" on the side.


Blue-Ray and streaming makes it more realistic but it's still just a cheeseburger.


XBOX One: 


CPU: 8 Core AMD custom CPU - AMD? AMD is a budget CPU. Why wouldn't they go with the Intel i7? Because it's a cheeseburger.


RAM: 8 Gigs of DDR3 - This was standard 2 years ago. Cheeseburger


Storage: 500 GB HDD - Under $60.00 from any retailer.


I'm just trying to analyze what a PC gives you vs. a console... and it's not even close.


VALUE is a PC.

Inviktus
Inviktus

@Continous @Inviktus  I don't know if you're aware of this, but all onboard soundcards are more than 2 channels. Mine is 7.1, but the speaker setup I own is only 5.1 surround.

betterdevil
betterdevil

@Zoop

Wow, who gives a flying fuck what they did ten or twenty years ago? Atari used to be king of the hill, where are they now? You still failed to address the fact that they ARE driving the COD franchise into the ground. What games have they released lately that are new IP? Oh wait, they do have Angry Birds: Star Wars. Cabella Big Game Hunter. Skylanders. Destiny. Anything innovative? No, because Bobby Kotick has said that he doesn't really give a shit about the games, he cares about how much they make. Educate myself? Please, I know plenty. Maybe you should stop acting like such a know-it-all smartass and stop trolling comment sections. Merry Christmas.

DonFerrari
DonFerrari

@Averre The only way someone could be using your email is if you made it so embarrassing simple that anybody could guess it or you have a friend or colleague using your email address.


My suggestion is to delete the email address and think of something more secure. Or you could just hit unsubscribe.

Continous
Continous

@pakleglia  Besides, most JRPGs I know of have a PC port or can be emulated. I don't really see the issue.

pakleglia
pakleglia

@Zoop@LouisChapmanConsoles DO hold games back.

A good example is Skyrim, it has small textures in order to fit in the (now) limited memory of the Xbox360 et al, PC users can download an optional Hi-Res texture package because Bethesda recognized that the Xbox360 is outdated and limited (now, compared to the constantly evolving hardware of PCs)

The interface is total crap, and is made for an 8 button controller, and back in the day before consoles, game makers would make an interface for 101 key keyboards.

Now instead of being able to hit a hotkey to do a menu function, I find myself hitting Esc 3 to 6 times to back out of sub menu after sub menu in some of the more poorly ported games from Console to PC.


When a console comes out, it comes out with the newest hardware FOR THE YEAR IT WAS RELEASED, after ONE year the hardware is already starting to fall behind.

You can't upgrade console hardware, but you can upgrade PC hardware.

Consoles are inferior to PCs for gaming, but the game indyustry wants it that way, because they figure that Consoles deter piracy due to their closed system.

 

The Ps3 has 512mb of system memory, the PC can have Gigabytes of memory, both System Memory AND Video Memory.

Game developers are therefore stuck in 2013, making games that have to be able to run on a 2005 system with 512 mb (both video AND system) memory.

In 2005 that was OK, but it's 2013, PCs have surpassed the Consoles of 2005 in the year 2006, yet because developers write games to work on the old hardware of consoles, they just port over the game, rather than make a version for consoles and an enhanced version for PCs.


willfenton1981
willfenton1981

@Zoop@LouisChapmanFunny how you fail to address even a single point of what I said isn't it.


I wonder why.... oh, I wonder.


The only thing you can do is hurl feeble personal insults at me, because you can't accept the fact that a ten year lifespan on a console DOES hold gaming back.


You know the technology to make Killzone Shadowfall, and all the next-gen games has been around for about five years now (at least)? But you don't understand that more RAM and general CPU doesn't just equal shinier graphics, it also means the game will be bigger, open and more feature laden.


The final nail in the coffin of course being your allusion to the fact that because something sells better an is more popular, it is better.


You need to learn a bit about how gaming evolution works: it has nothing to do with certain systems, it has everything to do with new technology. With that in mind - assuming of course you have the brainpower - consider what effect a machine with fixed hardware lasting TEN years has on that evolution, especially one that is so dominant in the market, to the point where it makes more financial sense to not bother with more advanced games, because it is more profitable to keep it to the fixed out-dated tech.


Where haven't I accepted the fact that consoles are dominant? I never did, I am just stating some of the indisputable facts of current consoles. Ones you clearly don't like and won't accept.


As for the personal attacks: fuck you you little shit.

JonLachonis
JonLachonis

@PubstarHero @JonLachonisDitto.  Not it isn't dated, both camps have their supporters for sure.
 But anyways, I apologize if I seemed hostile... it all started as good natured ribbing. I promise. ;)


PubstarHero
PubstarHero

@JonLachonis @PubstarHero  My consoles are only around for fighting games and JRPGs.  I do most of my gaming on my PC.  I also haven't made a custom loop system in ages (I use an H100i right now), but the general consensus when liquid cooling started rising in early 2000s was to use something like mineral oil in your system, so my knowledge appears to be dated.

JonLachonis
JonLachonis

@PubstarHero @JonLachonis

Mineral Oil and non-conductive stuff is for noobs. Go to TomsHardware or similar 'respected' tech sites and say what you just said, and prepare to be laughed off the board.  All of that 'non-conductive' stuff has a high heat retention property, which is what you don't want. AND it can still ruin your PC.  Distilled water is 'barely' conductive, doesn't hold heat effectively, and moves faster. Plain old DW with no fancy 'dyes', some silver and you're good to go.


By comparison, I've cooled with water for over 4 years and lost no computers.  You've lost 6 consoles doing god knows what...  do the math.


But getting back to the original argument:  PC's kick Consoles asses in relability, power, resolution, framerate, you name it; I still use my consoles for games specific to those platforms and I kind of like not having to maintain the SOB's.

PubstarHero
PubstarHero

@JonLachonis I had launch models of both consoles.  They were known to have overheating issues, which is exactly why they all died.

And nobody water cools.  Its liquid cooling.  You use a non conductive fluid like Mineral Oil in the system.

JonLachonis
JonLachonis

@pubstarhero .... um, by watercooling they don't mean pour a bottle of water over the console. lol.  J/K, but your luck is very suspect. :D

SunderPrime
SunderPrime

@Jack Burton @Mooncalfian  

This article shows a complete lack of research. More often than not, I find people boasting about compatibility & mod-ability (as Burton already mention), GFX and Frame Rates more often than "we don't have to change systems as regularly", lol. 

SunderPrime
SunderPrime

@Jack Burton @Mooncalfian 

Agree on all counts save one. AMD USED to be a budget CPU. More often than not nowadays, I find AMD reaching the same level as INTEL or higher for less money. It's not always true but it is true regularly. 

I wouldn't call AMD "budget" anymore, I'd call it "value for money". To be honest, nowadays I think the Intel/AMD argument has become more of a "whichever floats your boat" debate, far more so than the XBOX/PS debate.

Another key point is that, in an interview, Intel admitted that Microsoft came to them first for the Xbox One but where supposedly turned down since they had too much on their plate currently... up to everyone to decide if that "admission" is real or a load of it but there you have it.

Continous
Continous

@Inviktus @Continous  I'm aware of this, but few, if any, feature surround sounds emulation technologies like EAX and Dolby Surround, and that is the reason I like them. Along with the fact many have built-in DSP managers.

LouisChapman
LouisChapman

@Zoop@willfenton1981 I would like to point out that you appear to have made somewhat of an error.  While I do appreciate the little pissing match that has shown up in my inbox thanks to this conversation, Will and I are most certainly not the same person.



willfenton1981
willfenton1981

@Zoop@willfenton1981Gun? what the hell are you talking about. I despise guns you moron. As you said 'ass' you appear to be a US resident (or are Americanised); I live in the UK and there is no gun thing here, they are banned.


Is it so inconceivable for you to consider that it's not that unusual for someone else to post on a thread on the same day? Wow, what a conspiracy nut, do you think the President is an alien? Are you such a loon that because of that you can't accept that maybe, just maybe, I'm someone else.


Why the fuck would I profit from pretending to be someone else anyway? What would I be scared of, that maybe you'll come and get me?


... and so you go on repeating the same thing. Pro hint: constantly stating the same ASSUMPTION doesn't make it more true. 

Again, you think because something is more popular it is automatically better; I was talking in strict terms of technological superiority.


Consoles are popular because they are simple. Idiots can operate them with no worry, as to work it all you have to do is press a big ON button and it works. Very fitting for people such as yourself, who evidently lack the basic capacity for complex thought. That doesn't mean that ALL console users are such idiots, it just means that they are more suited FOR idiots.

Is the PS4 more capable of better games than a PS3? Yes, because the hardware is much more powerful, so it can allow more detailed and advanced games. The reason for that is because it is more advanced. PC is a better example of this because the technology is always progressing.


Alas, you are a fashion victim, and seem to follow whatever is popular.

Oh, and a big reason why you don't see retail PC games is because 90% of people buy games digitally.

Actually, you'll find that's the case with consoles in a few years-- though a few clingers-on will try and deny the future. I'm not saying digital is good, or bad, I'm just staying the obvious facts.

Oh no, I think it's quite possible you are the one who is insecure here. I've admitted my mistake; but you have to hold on to your ridiculous theory that has no evidence that I'm double-accounting. It would certainly explain why you keep going on about it. 

 

Zoop
Zoop

@willfenton1981


-Louis makes a comment, his only comment, on this page. You reply THE SAME DAY.


-I make a reply specifically to Louis. You reply back going on the defensive because you logged into the wrong account.


-Instead of just letting it go, you keep trying to prove your innocence.


You haven't the testicular fortitude unless it comes from a barrel of a gun. You haven't the testicular fortitude to admit to logging into the wrong account.


You're a coward, so why should I expect you to admit anything? You're doing EXACTLY what I expect someone like you to do.


Your a pitiable individual, in every conceivable way. As for my points, I made them already but your head is so far up your own cowardly ass then you're incapable of seeing them.


The PC is a sinking ship and it has been since the 90's. Developers are either leaving the PC market entirely or putting the PC community on the back burner because you're fucking obsolete.


Go into Best Buy or any other store that sells software. Look at the PC isle, if there even is one. THAT is your answer.


I'm done with you. Reply all you like, this is the last time for me. You're a fool and a coward. A man-child with a gun and FPS to compensate for his lack of balls.








willfenton1981
willfenton1981

@ZoopEither you can't read, or you didn't read.


When did I try to back-peddle out of my actual argument and points. Yes, that's right-- I didn't.


Why not try a bit of common sense here and deal with KNOWN FACTS, not silly little assumptions you are making.

Yes: I told you to fuck yourself; later I learn you directed your OP insults at someone else, but you know-- I can see that what you said was still insulting, so I still stand by what I say.
You will still cling to this closed-minded idea that because I made a mistake in respect to identity, my arguments all fall down.

Go on - tell me how I'm trying to 'get out of it'. In fact, it seems you are the one trying to get out of the ACTUAL POINTS of this discussion; because, you keep avoiding the ACTUAL POINTS. Funny that, isn't it?

Go on, just for my amusement-- explain HOW I'm back-peddling or trying to squirm out of it.

If you're so confident little one, surely you can muster up the power to prove this?

 

Zoop
Zoop

@willfenton1981


Yep, if I was your position I would be trying to desperately back peddle as well. 


You replied to me as Louis, only you used your other account.. Oddly enough, Louis only has one comment on his account, and that was here. You replied to it on the same day.


You took my comment to Louis personally, "fuck you you little shit"? Yeah, nobody does that unless they're defending themselves.


You're busted. You need help. You're trying to squirm out of it.


Back peddling isn't going to save you on this one.



willfenton1981
willfenton1981

@Zoop@willfenton1981Well, you're wrong. I don't need to pretend to be multiple people.

I wouldn't be seen in any picture holding a gun.


Actually, I'll do the honest thing and admit to me it just looked like a chain of responses-- IT IS partly because your comment should be indented slightly, even below mine, to indicate it is not a direct response to me.

However, you still continued in very much the same way - and you DID hurl feeble insults; to me or not, who cares.


Yes, so what - I made a slight mistake, but there is still relevance, and we took the argument forward anyway. I don't feel any 'shame' for it because everything I said is still perfectly valid and in context.

Zoop
Zoop

@willfenton1981 Dude, you addressed the attacks I made towards Louis as being addressed to you.


"The only thing you can do is hurl feeble personal insults at me" Willfenton


The original comment I made to Louis is the one you responded to as willfenton. Why would you even think I'm addressing those comments to you when it wasn't even addressed to you in the first place.


Look at it again, it clearly only shows being Louis.


You've been caught. You're using multiple accounts and defending your own arguments with them.


You need serious help. Find it. Good Bye.

willfenton1981
willfenton1981

@Zoop@willfenton1981That's not how it reads from where I'm looking. My response is directly below yours starting with

@"@ I would address your points if you had a point to begin with." After that is my reply to this.

Look, you even quoted my account name.

It seems you are the confused one here; who gives a shit that it also for some reason puts my name AS WELL AS YOURS - moron, when I hit the 'reply' button.


Yes, carry on-- proud in the knowledge that the only way you can 'win' an argument is to put your fingers in your ears and fail to EVER respond directly to a single point I have made.

But then I can't blame you for trying to attack me from another angle-- i.e changing the subject, because you haven't got any defense for your original statements.



Zoop
Zoop

@willfenton1981Yeah, you can't even keep track of which account you're using.


People who comment to themselves borders on a form of creepy that I don't want to be a part of.


You have no point. And from your actions on this comment section, you're a sad creature.


So, I'm going to stop replying to you now. See a therapist. 

Zoop
Zoop

@willfenton1981@LouisChapman


I almost missed that. Forget which profile you're using, eh?


My original comment was for Louis Chapman, I didn't address my comment to willfenton that you replied too and the 'insults' wouldn't apply to willfenton.


So, liking and replying to your own comments? Sad. 

willfenton1981
willfenton1981

@Zoop@willfenton1981Ah, so to you : "..'ll post pics of myself shooting guns for lack of a functioning penis and spend the rest of my miserable free time ignoring the blatantly obvious because I'm mired in being a elitist douchebag instead of accepting that times have changed." isn't a personal attack?


What a fine delusion you have.


What you fail to understand is the concept of context-- I am and have always been talking specifically about these current and recent consoles.


Yes I know consoles dominate, and? Is this somehow evidence for your argument-- that the most popular thing is obviously the most advanced thing?


How is embracing new technology an unwillingness to adapt? Current consoles stagnate technological progress, that is a fact, not an opinion.


Try actually answering some of my points-- such as ten year console cycles. Then perhaps you wouldn't keep making yourself look such an idiot in public.


Repeating the same retarded line about guns and male-members isn't exactly helping your cause either, considering what an extraordinarily imbecilic phrase it is.


You are straw-manning by completely misrepresenting my argument to make you look 'better'. Though that would suggest intelligence on your behalf, which I'm not prepared to do (I would need evidence for such things).



Zoop
Zoop

@willfenton1981 I would address your points if you had a point to begin with.


It's not "feeble personal attacks". Everything I said is true. You're unwilling to adapt. You're unwilling to be honest with yourself.


Maybe if you were able to accept that people are willing to shell out incredible amounts for a plug-and-play multi-media outlet without having to fap about with installing OS and the ton of software necessary to use the hardware they have to put together themselves you could have a actual grasp of the situation.


Console gaming doesn't retard the evolution of gaming, it defines it.


People like Bushnell and Baer showed the world that it was possible to bring gaming to the home with a modest price, back when computers filled entire rooms.


Because of this, it paved the way for Spectrum, Commodore, Texas Instrument et cetera to move away from $1400 word processors to inexpensive home computers.


Smartphones are in demand despite the fact that flip and slide phones are still on the market. Are you saying smartphones aren't better?



You're talking about personal choice, which is immaterial to the facts.


You -know- consoles dominate, which is why you started this whole thing in the first place. You're a dinosaur holding on to your outdated outlook. Next time, keep your mouth shut.


"Fuck you you little shit" Looks like I hit the nail on the head. Guns compensating for the lack of penis after all it seems.


Happy holidays.








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